Hz 05 gr question

[Latvian_Guy]

Hey , So , recently ive been surfing around german ww1 chemical rectangle , where Bruhmuller did his deeds)
According to artillery order , there where used 105mm howitzer blue cross shells …
By my experience… of finding hz05 gr fuzes when they used with Long howitzer grenade theyre greatly deformed , and rings usually are torn out by explosion products… when the full charge is applied and fully detonating..
But this fuze not only had all its rings , but also some of the main thread that is usually also being destroyed if the full charge of 2-1.8kg applied,moreover the base wasnt that really bent relatively to the HE shell fuze speciments.
I found it near shell krator , across this chemical rectangle 105 howitzer krators are rarely seen and usually theres 50 meters between them…
Other space is filled with fragmentation of 77mm green cross shells (yeah they differ and you can tell by the deformation and demage to the metal) , so , could it belong to the bluecross , and whats more important , the “M” letter thats near Spandau 1915 is it a month?
Experts and serious diggers , share your opinions please!
No previous history of h.e shell usage was recorded.
Of such type in that artillery sector.

[ALVF]

Bonsoir,

Je joins ce détail d'un tableau de très grande dimension réunissant, classés par calibre, tous les obus à gaz employés par les allemands à la fin de l'année 1918.
Ici, l'obus Blaukreuz pour l'obusier léger 10,5 cm l.F.H:

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Il est bien noté à la fin que cet obus a parfois été trouvé armé de la fusée H.Z. 05 Gr.
Cordialement,
Guy François.

[Latvian_Guy]

Well thanks im aware of that , the question is the designation of letter M that is stamped next to spandau 15" ,
Btw , where your picture came from? Asking out of interest.

[michelstl]

Bonjour
- plusieurs appellations ici, mais je n'ai pas trouvé à part le petit m.V. (mit Verzögerung / avec retardement)
- several designations here, but I did not find
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65564780

[Latvian_Guy]

Hello , i will try to write to the author of passion compassion , to bring it for a bigger disscussion , since people cannot identify the m marking on the fuze.
Ive checked every document..
The artillerie allemande les projectiles 17/19
Les fusees (1918)
And german sources..
The m marking is nowhere to be seen.

[michelstl]

Bonjour
serait-ce
could it be
produit par la Waffenfabrik Mauser
Made by Waffenfabrik Mauser

[Latvian_Guy]

Somebody wrote that this M letter is untipical for state owned arsenals (spandau - Berlin) , and may be related to the lot of the fuzes.
Its a good guess , i suppouse , but i cannot be sure.
Have any of you seen similar markings on western front?
Since we had german artillery formations drawn from western front exceptionally for this operation. (The assault of Riga 1917)
And hence.. shell stock was transported from western front.. too..

[michelstl]

Bonjour
Trouvé ceci / Found this : Sp.17.M
Mots clefs / Key words: «Fusée Dopp Z 92 nF, Entièrement démontée.»
http://passioncompassion1418.com/decouv ... n_all.html

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[Latvian_Guy]

Hi , well theres few dop.z 92 fuzes from spandau with additional m , also the lg brlg one , but whats the meaning of M..
I still dont get it.
They also have hz 05 gr lb , fuze with same marking..
Ok, atleast its not rare just uncommon.