Hi
I am trying to find information of a Trawler (H144 Ruby) sold to on 19th April 1913 to M. Charles Edonard Pierce Bernard ....... of Arcachon, France and renamed Dauphin.
I am interested to know what happened to this Trawler, any help is appreciated.
J'essaie de trouver de l'information d'un chalutier (H144 Ruby) vendu à la 19e avril 1913 à M. Charles Edonard Pierce Bernard ....... Arcachon, France et renommé Dauphin.
Je suis curieux de savoir ce qu'il est advenu de ce chalutier, toute aide est appréciée.
Dauphin II, Dragueur auxiliaire (1915-1917) 151 tjb, 270 cv
Chalutier Dauphin, réquisitionné le 18/4/1915 à Arcachon, devient Dauphin II, flottille de l'Atlantique, Verdon,
Déréquisitionné le 14/4/1917, vendu à l'Italie.
Source : Jean-Michel Roche, Dictionnaire des bâtiments de la flotte de guerre française de Colbert à nos jours, tome II, 1870-2006, Rezotel Maury, 2005.
According to an Italian source (Franco Bargoni, Tutte le navi Miltari d'Ialia 1861 - 1986) the French trawler "Dauphin", built in 1891 by Mackie & Thompson, Glasgow, became the "Delfino II" of the Italian Navy somewhat earlier: acquired and in service 1.7.1915! She was renamed "Tuono" in 1917, stricken 10.6.1920 and subsequently sold to O.N.C. at Naples.
In my opinion the date 1915 sounds correct, for a "Delfino III" came in service 21.12.1916.
Interesting !
See below an entry in the Lancashire FLOAT website which seems to tie in with what you said. However, the only bit that doesn't tie in is the Defino II bit. If you take that out, it all sort of works:
Ruby 1891-1913 (Ratified by the card index taken from the Companies records).
Dauphin 1913-1915 (Trawler at Arcachon)
Dauphin II 1915-1917 (Flotille de l'Atlantique)
Tuono 1917-1920 Italy
Fiume 1920 - 1923/24 (SUNK)!
Any further information on 'Stricken'
Who is O.N.C. Naples?
Afterall the change of name from Dauphin II to Tuono mid ownership doesn't really work.??
Il est possible que la vente de Dauphin II a l'Italie ait été faite en 1915, mais qu'elle ait été bloquée par une réquisition de la Marine française (il existe des cas de ce genre).
En conséquence, le navire garde son nom de Dauphin, mais il est comptabilisé pour l'acheteur, ce qui explique l'apparente double appartenance de 1915 à 1917,
le changement de nom n'intervenant qu'à la déréquisition.
Le nom de l'acheteur français est : Charles Edouard Pierre Bernard d'après le texte manuscrit fourni par nmnmuk
On 25 May, 1915, nine French trawlers of relatively recent (and mostly British) construction were transferred by France to the Regia Marina. This was just one day after Italy's entry into the war, so it is a fair assumption that it was something done to facilitate that event, Italy's ranging herself alongside the Intesa.
The boats were at first chartered or loaned to Italy by the Marine Nationale, which had requisitioned them (mostly at La Rochelle) with the express purpose of the Italian transfer; two years later, in 1917, they were stricken by the French Navy and sold outright to Italy.
This is also demonstrated by the fact that at first most of them in the Regia Marina took over names which were a simple (temporary) Italicisation of their French ones, and only after their purchase they changed them.
ANTIOCHE, Smith's Dock no. 766, 1905, 249 grt, owner O. Dahl, La Rochelle, reqn French Navy 25.5.1915, to Italian Navy same day, in service 1.7.1915 as the vedette boat/tug NEMBO. Stricken by the MN 25.4.1917. On 9.9.1924 renamed CAMOGLI, sunk on 10. or 30.10.1943 by German air attack near Patmos, Aegean Sea. Raised post-war, in Greek service until 1970.
BAYARD, Mackie & Thomson no. 383, 1908, 231 grt, owner Les Pécheries Rochelaises, 5.1915 Regia Marina, in temporary RM service 1.7.1915 as the vedetta/tug BAIARDO, 20.8.1918 renamed VALOROSO, sunk 5.6.1941 by HMS TAKU in the Syrtis Gulf
DAUPHIN ex RUBY, Mackie & Thomson no. 28, 1891, 149 grt, owner Ch. Pupin, Arcachon, reqn Marine Nationale as DAUPHIN II on 18.4.1915 at Arcachon, Flotille de l'Atlantique, Verdon, 1.7.1915 in service with the Regia Marina as the vedette/tug DELFINO II, stricken from the MN 14.4.1917 and sold to Italy, 1917 renamed TUONO by the RM, stricken (condemned) 8.1. or 10.6.1920, 10. or 21.6.1920 to the Opera Nazionale Combattenti (the Veterans Support Organisation) at Naples, renamed FIUME, lost in 1923.
GERMAINE F, Ateliers et Chantiers de Bretagne 1908 or De la Brosse et Fouche, Prairie-au-Duc, 1907, 224 grt (if anybody is able to help here I would appreciate it), owner A. Fimbel, La Rochelle, 25.5.1915 to the Regia Marina, 1.6. or 1.7.1915 in service at Taranto as the vedette/tug GERMANA, 1.7.1917 renamed SCOLTA, decommissioned 15.2.1919, 6.1921 to the Servizio Navigazione di Stato as a passenger vessel until 3.1926, stricken by the RM 1.2. or 1.3.1929
MARTHE, Hall Russell no. 523, 1913, 262 grt, owner A. Cordebart, La Rochelle, 25.5.1915 to the Regia Marina as the vedette/tug MARTA, in service 1.7.1915, 1.10.1915 to 27.5.1919 at Taranto, stricken 17.7.1919 and returned to France, by 1926 renamed PINGOUIN for the SA Chalutiers de la Rochelle, scrapped 1938/39
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MAUMUSSON, Smith's Dock no. 769, 1905, 249 grt, owner O. Dahl, La Rochelle, 20.5.1915 reqn Marine Nationale, 25.5.1915 to the Regia Marina as the vedette/tug MONSONE (i), in service 1.7.1915, sunk 23. or 25.2.1916 off Durazzo on a mine laid by UC 12 when still on loan: that's why the boat is included in the loss lists of both the RM and the MN
PELICAN II, Mackie & Thomson no.394, 1910, 264 grt, owner A. Brière, La Rochelle, reqn MN 28.7.1915 (?), to the Regia Marina 25.5.1915 or 2.1916 as the vedette/tug PELLICANO then PELLICANO II (10.8.1916), on 1.4.1917 renamed GORGO, 12.4.1917 sold to Italy , in 1921 renamed GENERALE ARIMONDI, stricken 25.9.1934
PETREL, J. Duthie Torry no. 370, 1912, 265 grt, owner S.té des Pecheries Maritimes "Les Damiers", Nantes, reqn MN at Le Havre, 15.5.1915, 1.7.1915 in service Regia Marina as the vedette/tug FALCO then FALCO II (3.1.1917) then ABISSO (31.1.1917). 25.1.1917 derequisitioned by the MN and sold to Italy. On 21.7.1921 renamed RICCARDO GRAZIOLI LANTE as a lighthouse vessel, sunk 24.8.1941 by air attack off Marsa el Awegia, Lybia
THAIS, J. Duthie Torry no. 351, 1911, 242 grt, owner G. Chauvet, La Rochelle, reqn MN 18.5.1915, in temporary Regia Marina service 1.7.1915 as the vedette/tug RONDINE [Taide is not a very handsome word in Italy, thanks to Dante...], 14.4.1917 or 12.5.1917 derequisitioned by the MN and sold to Italy. Stricken 15.7.1923 and sold as a fishing vessel: RONDINE then GIOVANNA then TAURINIA then AXUM, sunk at Bardia (Lybia) by air attack 6.7.1940
Finally, there is a small French harbour tug named EXPRESS N°1 of 1892, 84 t displacement, acquired by the RM on 1.3.1916, in service as OGLIASTRA 22.3.1916 and stricken 10.5.1920, of which I lack any other information.
