Bonjour,
Aprés des recherches infructueuses, nous tentons notre chance auprès des spécialistes de la marine du forum.
Des renseignements sur ces bateaux ?
Le "GOLDEN EAGLE": A transporté le 101° RAL de Boulogne sur mer à Folkestone le 30 Avril 1917.
Le "TSAR": A transporté le 101° RAL de Glasgow (GB) à Port Mourmansk (Russie) du 01 Mai 1917 au 14 Mai 1917.
Le "HUNTSEN": A transporté des personnels du 101° RAL de Port Mourmansk vers la France en Mars 1918. A transporté le même jour 23 Officiers Polonais engagés par les autorités consulaires Américaines pour l'Armée Polonaise d'Amérique et un détachement de 291 Alsaciens-Lorrains.
Le "PORTO": A transporté des hommes du Groupe de Russie/101°RAL vers la France le 01 Avril 1918.
Le "GLORY": Cuirassé Anglais qui a fourni 4 canons de 47 pour la "préparation" d'un train blindé "bricolé" avec les moyens du bord par le 101°RAL pour la surveillance de la voie de chemin de fer "Mourmansk-Moscou". Leur mission était de protéger cette ligne menacée par les gardes blancs germano-finlandais en Avril 1918.
"GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
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Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
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Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
Bonjour
J'ai trouvé un navire sous pavillon britannique mais avec une orthographe légérement différente
ON LR/IMO ID Year Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
136828 1136828 1908 LUTZOW 8818 V1908 #316 N.D.L.
136828 1136828 1908 HUNTSEND 8818 1915 V1908 #316 British Govt
C'est une premiere piste fournie par le site MIRAMAR
Pour le TSAR, je vous propose cette hypothese :
Single Ship Report for "5616326"
IDNo: 5616326 Year: 1883
Name: TSAR' Launch Date: 7.4.83
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion:
Flag: RUS Keel:
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Tons: 2241 Link: 1277
DWT: Yard No: 444
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: Country of build: GBR
Beam: Builder: Armstrong Mitchell
Material of build: Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn):
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Owner as Completed:
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1925
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Subsequent History:
17 POSADNIK
mais le navire change de nom en 1917 (POSADNIK)
Sinon on trouve un navire dénommé CSAR sur ce fil du forum
pages1418/forum-pages-histoire/expediti ... 2340_1.htm
A bientot
J'ai trouvé un navire sous pavillon britannique mais avec une orthographe légérement différente
ON LR/IMO ID Year Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
136828 1136828 1908 LUTZOW 8818 V1908 #316 N.D.L.
136828 1136828 1908 HUNTSEND 8818 1915 V1908 #316 British Govt
C'est une premiere piste fournie par le site MIRAMAR
Pour le TSAR, je vous propose cette hypothese :
Single Ship Report for "5616326"
IDNo: 5616326 Year: 1883
Name: TSAR' Launch Date: 7.4.83
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion:
Flag: RUS Keel:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tons: 2241 Link: 1277
DWT: Yard No: 444
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: Country of build: GBR
Beam: Builder: Armstrong Mitchell
Material of build: Location of yard: Low Walker
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn):
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner as Completed:
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1925
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subsequent History:
17 POSADNIK
mais le navire change de nom en 1917 (POSADNIK)
Sinon on trouve un navire dénommé CSAR sur ce fil du forum
pages1418/forum-pages-histoire/expediti ... 2340_1.htm
A bientot

Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
Marc TERRAILLON
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- Messages : 139
- Inscription : ven. oct. 31, 2008 1:00 am
Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
Bonjour
Voici un premier resultat pour le GOLDEN EAGLE
Table 1. The search results for GOLDEN EAGLE.
ON LR/IMO ID Year Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
20916 1877 GOLDEN EAGLE 220
20918 1898 GOLDEN EAGLE 187
20920 1899 GOLDEN EAGLE 356
129003 1129003 1909 GOLDEN EAGLE 793 V1909 #191 General SN Co
218048 2218048 1919 GOLDEN EAGLE 5899 1928 V1919 #2020 Oceanic & Oriental
Le navire construit en 1909 est une hypothese envisageable
Voici sa fiche détaillée (navire anglais)
Single Ship Report for "1129003"
IDNo: 1129003 Year: 1909
Name: GOLDEN EAGLE Launch Date: 4.09
Type: Passenger ship Date of completion: 6.09
Flag: GBR Keel:
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Tons: 793 Link: 1569
DWT: Yard No: 386
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 84.0 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 9.8 Builder: John Brown
Material of build: Location of yard: Clydebank
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): P-18.5
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Owner as Completed: General S.N.Co Ltd, London
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1951
Tiré du site MIRAMAR
Et voici une photo (il faut attendre un peu) disponible sur ce site
http://dkepaves.free.fr/html/autres_epaves.htm
A bientot
Voici un premier resultat pour le GOLDEN EAGLE
Table 1. The search results for GOLDEN EAGLE.
ON LR/IMO ID Year Name Tons Change Starke Ref. Main Owner
20916 1877 GOLDEN EAGLE 220
20918 1898 GOLDEN EAGLE 187
20920 1899 GOLDEN EAGLE 356
129003 1129003 1909 GOLDEN EAGLE 793 V1909 #191 General SN Co
218048 2218048 1919 GOLDEN EAGLE 5899 1928 V1919 #2020 Oceanic & Oriental
Le navire construit en 1909 est une hypothese envisageable
Voici sa fiche détaillée (navire anglais)
Single Ship Report for "1129003"
IDNo: 1129003 Year: 1909
Name: GOLDEN EAGLE Launch Date: 4.09
Type: Passenger ship Date of completion: 6.09
Flag: GBR Keel:
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Tons: 793 Link: 1569
DWT: Yard No: 386
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 84.0 Country of build: GBR
Beam: 9.8 Builder: John Brown
Material of build: Location of yard: Clydebank
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): P-18.5
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner as Completed: General S.N.Co Ltd, London
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1951
Tiré du site MIRAMAR
Et voici une photo (il faut attendre un peu) disponible sur ce site
http://dkepaves.free.fr/html/autres_epaves.htm
A bientot

Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
Marc TERRAILLON
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- Messages : 139
- Inscription : ven. oct. 31, 2008 1:00 am
Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
Bonjour
Pour le HMS GLORY, c'est un navire que vous trouverez facilement sur les sites de nos amis anglo-saxons :
HMS Glory Built by Laird at Birkenhead and laid down on the 1st December 1896 and launched on the 11 March 1899 completed October 1900. Served initially in the China Station as Flagship 1900 to 1905 returning to the UK in 1905, following the Anglo Japanese alliance. stayed with the Channel fleet until 1906 and then went into the commissioned reserve Home Fleet at Portsmouth refitted March 1907 to July 1907 for Boiler overhaul and magazine cooling and the addition of Fire Control. From the August 1907 to April 1909 HMS Glory served in the Mediterranean fleet. returning to the 4th Division (with reduced crew levels. From May 1912 she joined the 3rd Fleet at the Nore transferring to Portsmouth in April 1913 At the outbreak of world war one HMS Glory joined the 8th battle squadron to escort A Canadian Convoy of troops in October 1914, Then joining the north American and West Indies Station as Flagship. In June 1915 she joined the Mediterranean fleet to cover the Suez canal, and Egypt. In 1916 HMS Glory was sent to Archangel as Guard ship and remained at this station until 1919 before returning to Rosyth In 1920 she was renamed HMS Crescent and used as a depot ship Finally being sold to the Breakers in 1920
Displacement: 12,950 tons. Length: 410 ft. Beam: 74 ft. Draught: 26.5 ft. Complement: 750. Armament: four 12 ins guns, twelve 6 ins guns, ten 3 ins guns, six 3 pounder guns and two maxims with four torpedo tubes.
Et voici un lien pour avoir une photo de bonne qualité du navire
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/pictures-ww1.html
A bientot
Pour le HMS GLORY, c'est un navire que vous trouverez facilement sur les sites de nos amis anglo-saxons :
HMS Glory Built by Laird at Birkenhead and laid down on the 1st December 1896 and launched on the 11 March 1899 completed October 1900. Served initially in the China Station as Flagship 1900 to 1905 returning to the UK in 1905, following the Anglo Japanese alliance. stayed with the Channel fleet until 1906 and then went into the commissioned reserve Home Fleet at Portsmouth refitted March 1907 to July 1907 for Boiler overhaul and magazine cooling and the addition of Fire Control. From the August 1907 to April 1909 HMS Glory served in the Mediterranean fleet. returning to the 4th Division (with reduced crew levels. From May 1912 she joined the 3rd Fleet at the Nore transferring to Portsmouth in April 1913 At the outbreak of world war one HMS Glory joined the 8th battle squadron to escort A Canadian Convoy of troops in October 1914, Then joining the north American and West Indies Station as Flagship. In June 1915 she joined the Mediterranean fleet to cover the Suez canal, and Egypt. In 1916 HMS Glory was sent to Archangel as Guard ship and remained at this station until 1919 before returning to Rosyth In 1920 she was renamed HMS Crescent and used as a depot ship Finally being sold to the Breakers in 1920
Displacement: 12,950 tons. Length: 410 ft. Beam: 74 ft. Draught: 26.5 ft. Complement: 750. Armament: four 12 ins guns, twelve 6 ins guns, ten 3 ins guns, six 3 pounder guns and two maxims with four torpedo tubes.
Et voici un lien pour avoir une photo de bonne qualité du navire
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/pictures-ww1.html
A bientot

Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
Marc TERRAILLON
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- Messages : 139
- Inscription : ven. oct. 31, 2008 1:00 am
Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
Bonjour
Pour le PORTO (il y a beaucoup de navires ayant un nom similaire ou approchant), l'hypothése que je vous propose est celle d'un navire allemand qui change de main en 1916
Single Ship Report for "5600641"
IDNo: 5600641 Year: 1894
Name: PRINZ HEINRICH Launch Date:
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 12.94
Flag: DEU Keel:
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Tons: 6263 Link: 1940
DWT: Yard No: 518
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 138.8 Country of build: DEU
Beam: 15.6 Builder: Schichau
Material of build: Location of yard: Danzig
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 2T-14
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Owner as Completed: Norddeutscher Lloyd, Bremen
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1926
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Subsequent History:
16 PORTO
Détails :
Prinz Heinrich 1895 1909 rebuilt to 6636 tons, 1916 seized by Portugal renamed Porto. 6,263
Il reste à vérifier si le gouvernement portugais a mis à disposition ce navire ...
A bientot
Pour le PORTO (il y a beaucoup de navires ayant un nom similaire ou approchant), l'hypothése que je vous propose est celle d'un navire allemand qui change de main en 1916
Single Ship Report for "5600641"
IDNo: 5600641 Year: 1894
Name: PRINZ HEINRICH Launch Date:
Type: Passenger/cargo Date of completion: 12.94
Flag: DEU Keel:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tons: 6263 Link: 1940
DWT: Yard No: 518
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: 138.8 Country of build: DEU
Beam: 15.6 Builder: Schichau
Material of build: Location of yard: Danzig
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn): 2T-14
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Owner as Completed: Norddeutscher Lloyd, Bremen
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1926
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subsequent History:
16 PORTO
Détails :
Prinz Heinrich 1895 1909 rebuilt to 6636 tons, 1916 seized by Portugal renamed Porto. 6,263
Il reste à vérifier si le gouvernement portugais a mis à disposition ce navire ...
A bientot

Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
Marc TERRAILLON
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Re: "GOLDEN EAGLE" "LE TSAR" "HUNTSEN" "PORTO" "GLORY"
Bonjour Marc,
Merci beaucoup pour toutes ces infos
, il ne nous reste plus qu'à les "digérer" et à rechercher des photos de ces batiments.
Amitiés "neigeuses" de Guivry.
Les Gadas de Guivry
Merci beaucoup pour toutes ces infos

Amitiés "neigeuses" de Guivry.
Les Gadas de Guivry
Si vous trouvez lors de vos recherches des renseignements sur les villages de l'Aisne "Guivry" et "Les Hezettes", merci de nous contacter.
http://guivry.blogspot.com/
http://guivry.blogspot.com/