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[Ar Brav]

Bonsoir à tous,

Lu dans l'hebdomadaire "Le Marin" de ce jour :



Bon, ben on va chercher

Bien cordialement,
Franck

[Terraillon Marc]

Bonjour

On est sûr du type de navire (remorqueur ?)

Je cherche

A bientot

[Terraillon Marc]

Bonjour

Voici la liste de navires anglais perdus en décembre 1917

Molesey, 3,218grt, defensively-armed, 1 December 1917, 12 miles SW by W from Brighton LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Euphorbia, 3,109grt, defensively-armed, 1 December 1917, 14 miles E by S from Royal Sovereign LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 14 lives lost

Rydal Hall, 3,314grt, defensively-armed, 1 December 1917, 14 miles E by S from Royal Sovereign LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 23 lives lost

Birchgrove, 2,821grt, defensively-armed, 2 December 1917, 10 miles W by N ½ N from Ile de Groix, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Kintuck, 4,639grt, defensively-armed, 2 December 1917, 8 miles NW by N ½ N from Godrevy LH, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Berwick Law, 4,680grt, defensively-armed, 2 December 1917, 22 miles West from Cape Tenez, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost, Master prisoner

Copeland, 1,184grt, defensively-armed, 2 December 1917, 15 miles SSW from the Tuskar, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 12 lives lost

Wreathier, 852grt, defensively-armed, 3 December 1917, 1 mile West from Prawle Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost

Livonia, 1,879grt, defensively-armed, 3 December 1917, 4 miles E by N ½ N from Start Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 23 lives lost including Master

Dowlais, 3,016grt, defensively-armed, 3 December 1917, off Cap de Fer, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 26 lives lost including Master

Eagle, 182grt, 4 December 1917, 10 miles South from Start Point, captured by submarine, sunk by bombs

Brigitta, 2,084grt, defensively-armed, 4 December 1917, 6 miles S W from the Nab LV, mined and sunk, 2 lives lost

Forfar, 3,827grt, defensively-armed, 4 December 1917, 115 miles SW by W from the Lizard, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost

Greenwich, 2,938grt, defensively-armed, 5 December 1917, 9 miles South from Planier Island, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Aigburth, 824grt, defensively-armed, 5 December 1917, 2 miles NE by E from S Cheek, Robin Rood Bay, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 11 lives lost including Master

Ilvington Court, 4,217grt, defensively-armed, 6 December 1917, 8 miles NW by N from Shershel, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 8 lives lost

Asaba, 972grt, defensively-armed, 6 December 1917, 2 miles WSW from the Lizard, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 16 lives lost including Master

Wyndhurst, 570grt, defensively-armed, 6 December 1917, 30 miles South from St Catherines, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 11 lives lost including Master

Earl of Elgin, 4,448grt, defensively-armed, 7 December 1917, 10 miles W ½ S from Carnarvon Bay LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 18 lives lost including Master

Proba, sailing vessel, 105grt, 7 December 1917, 3 miles SE from the Lizard, captured by submarine, sunk by bombs

Highgate, 1,780grt, defensively-armed, 7 December 1917, 2½ miles East from S Cheek, Robin Hood Bay, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Maindy Bridge, 3,653grt, defensively-armed, 8 December 1917, 4 miles ENE from Sunderland, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 2 lives lost

Lampada, 2,220grt, defensively-armed, 8 December 1917, 3 miles North from Whitby, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 5 lives lost

Consols, 3,756grt, defensively-armed, 8 December 1917, 40 miles NW ½ N from Cape Bon, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost

War Tune, 2,045grt, defensively-armed, 9 December 1917, 1½ miles SSE from Black Head, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Venetia, 3,596grt, defensively armed, 9 December 1917, 3 miles NNW from Whitby Rock buoy, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Minorca, 1,145grt, defensively-armed, 11 December 1917, 2 to 3 miles from C de las Huertas, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 15 lives lost including Master

Persier, 3,874grt, defensively-armed, 11 December 1917, 50 miles E from C Spartivento, Italy, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

DA Gordon, 2,301grt, defensively-armed, 11 December 1917, 1¼ miles ESE from C de las Huertas, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Oldfield Grange, 4,653grt, defensively-armed, 11 December 1917, 30 miles NE from Tory Is, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Leonatus, 2,099grt, defensively-armed, 12 December 1917, 2 miles E by S from Kirkabister LH, mined and sunk

Charleston, 1,866grt, defensively-armed, 12 December 1917, 30 miles West from the Smalls, captured by submarine, sunk by bombs, two gunners prisoners

Cordova, 2,284grt, defensively-armed, 12 December 1917, North Sea, sunk by torpedo boat(s), no other details

Britannic, sailing vessel, 92grt, 13 December 1917, 12 miles NNW from Los Hanois, captured by submarine, sunk by bombs

Little Gem, sailing vessel, 114grt, 13 December 1917, off Channel Islands, reportedly sunk by submarine, not known how sunk, 5 lives lost including Master

Bangarth, 1,872grt, defensively-armed, 13 December 1917, 13 miles NNE from the Tyne, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 2 lives lost

Garthwaite, 5,690grt, defensively-armed, 13 December 1917, 4 miles East from Whi by, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 14 lives lost including Master

Arnewood, 2,259grt, defensively-armed, 13 December 1917, 4 miles ESE from Sleat Point, Skye, mined and sunk

Volnay, 4,610grt, defensively-armed, 14 December 1917, 2 miles E by S from Manacles, mined and sunk

Coila, 4,135grt, defensively-armed, 14 December 1917, 3 miles SE by S from Canet Point, Valencia, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost

Hare, 774grt, defensively-armed, 14 December 1917, 7 miles East from the Kish LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 12 lives lost

Bernard, 3,682grt, defensively-armed, 15 December 1917, 180 miles WSW from Bishop Rock, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Bristol City, 2,511grt, defensively armed, 16 December 1917, Atlantic, reportedly sunk by submarine, probably torpedoed without warning, 30 lives lost including Master

Formby, 1,282grt, December 1917, Irish Sea, possibly torpedoed without warning by submarine, date uncertain, listed as 16th, 15 lives lost including Master

Foylemore, 3,831grt, defensively-armed, 16 December 1917, 22 miles E ½ S from the Lizard, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Riversdale, 2,805grt, defensively-armed, 18 December 1917, 1 miles South from Prawle Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Charles, sailing vessel, 56grt, 18 December 1917, English Channel, sunk by submarine gunfire, 1 life lost, Master and 2 crew prisoners

Coningbeg, 1,279grt, December 1917, Irish Sea, possibly torpedoed without warning by submarine, date uncertain, listed as 18th, 15 lives lost including Master

Vinovia, 7,046grt, defensively-armed, 19 December 1917, 8 miles South from Wolf Rock, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 9 lives lost

Alice Marie, 2,210grt, defensively-armed, 19 December 1917, 6 miles ENE from Start Pt, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Warsaw, 608grt, defensively-armed, 20 December 1917, 4 miles SE by E from Start Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 17 lives lost including Master

Fiscus, 4,782grt, defensively-armed, 20 December 1917, 10 miles NNE from Cape Ivi, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Eveline, 2,605grt, 20 December 1917, 9½ miles S ½ W from Berry Hd, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Waverley, 3,853grt, defensively-armed, 20 December 1917, 33 miles NE ½ N from Cape Ivi, SubmarineNo warningToipedo, 22 lives lost

Polvarth, 3146grt, defensively-armed, 20 December 1917, 35 miles West from Ushant, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 2 lives lost

City of Lucknow, 8,293grt, defensively-armed, 21 December 1917, 50 miles NE by N ½ N from Cani Rocks, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Mabel Baird, 2,500grt, defensively-armed, 22 December 1917, 4 miles WSW from the Lizard, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 5 lives lost

Colemere, 2,120grt, defensively-armed, 22 December 1917, 35 miles West from the Smalls, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 4 lives lost

Clan Cameron, 3,595grt, defensively-armed, 22 December 1917, 23 miles SW by S ½

S from Portland Bill, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Grantleyhall, 4,008grt, defensively-armed, 23 December 1917, 5 miles East from Orfordness, mined and sunk

Hilda Lea, 1,328grt, defensively-armed, 23 December 1917, 24 miles S by E from St Catherines, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Canova, 4,637grt, defensively-armed, 24 December 1917, 15 miles South from Mine Head, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 7 lives lost

Daybreak, 3,238grt, defensively-armed, 24 December 1917, 1 mile East from South Rock LV, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 21 lives lost including Master

Turnbridge, 2,874grt, defensively-armed, 24 December 1917, 34 miles NE by N from Cape Ivi, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Argo, 3,071grt, defensively-armed, 24 December 1917, 18 miles NW from Cape Tenez, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Cliftondale, 3,811grt, defensively-armed, 25 December 1917, 36 miles E by N ½ N from Cape Tenez, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost, Master prisoner

Agberi, 4,821grt, defensively-armed, 25 December 1917, 18 miles NW ½ N from Bardsey Island, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Umballa, 5,310grt, defensively armed, 25 December 1917, 8 miles SW by W from Cape Scalea, Gulf of Policastro, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 15 lives lost

Tregenna, 5,772grt, defensively-armed, 26 December 1917, 9 miles south from Dodman Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Benito, 4,712grt, defensively-armed, 26 December 1917, 9 miles South from Dodman Point, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Adela, 685grt, defensively-armed, 27 December 1917, 12 miles NW from the Skerries, Anglesea, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 24 lives lost

Santa Amalia, 4,306grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, 30 miles N by E ½ E from Malin Head, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 43 lives lost including Master

Maxton, 5,094grt, defensively armed, 28 December 1917, 28 miles N ¼ W from Malin Head, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Lord Derby, 3,757grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, 7 miles SW by S from St Ann's Head, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 3 lives lost

Chirripo, 4,050grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, ½ mile from Black Head, Belfast, mined and sunk

Robert Eggleton, 2,274grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, 10 miles SW from Bardsey Island, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Fallodon, 3,012grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, 12 miles SSE from St Catherines, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 1 life lost

Alfred H Read, 457grt, 28 December 1917, entrance to River Mersey, mined and sunk, 39, including Master

Clara, 2,425grt, defensively-armed, 28 December 1917, 1½ miles SSW from the Runnelstone, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Ennismore, 1,499grt, defensively-armed, 29 December 1917, 23 miles East from Girdleness, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 10 lives lost

Zone, 3,914grt, defensively-armed, 30 December 1917, 4 miles North from St Ives, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Hercules, 1,295grt, defensively-armed, 30 December 1917, 3 miles ENE from Whitby, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 12 lives lost including Master

Aragon, 9,588grt, defensively-armed, 30 December 1917, entrance to Alexandria, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 19 lives lost including Master

Westville, 3,207grt, defensively-armed, 31 December 1917, 5 miles WSW from St Catherines, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine

Osmanieh, 4,041grt, defensively-armed, 31 December 1917, entrance to Alexandria, mined and sunk, 24, including Master


A bientot

[Ar Brav]

Bonjour à tous,

Marc, tu nous sors de ces trucs de ton chapeau par moment, scié je suis. J'ai consulté par acquis de conscience la flotte ex SNCF au cas ou il y aurait erreur de pavillon, rien.

Bonne journée,
Cordialement,
Franck

[Yves D]

Bonjour Franck, bonjour à tous
Cette liste se trouvait à :
www.naval-history.net
Le site étant actuellement en cours de transfert, il est inaccessible.

Sous forme papier, il y a ce bouquin :
British vessels lost at sea 1914-18
reproduction de la publication d'août 1919 par HM Stationery Office
ISBN 0 85059 291 7
Une mine de renseignements qui vaut la peine d'une acquisition.
Amts
Yves

[Terraillon Marc]

Bonsoir Franck, bonsoir Yves, bonsoir tout le monde

Comme le précise Yves, la liste vient du site (fermé actuellement) Naval-history.net qui a repris l'ouvrage de 1919.

Le seul miracle, c'est d'avoir réussi à ranger mon disque dur pour retrouver quasiment toutes les données .....


A trés bientot

[Ar Brav]

Yves,
Marc,

Honorables Fils du Ciel, permettez au misérable ver de terre rampant que je suis, prosterné à vos illustres pieds, d’être indigne d’élever le regard au-delà de vos célestes orteils.

Lao Tseusement,
Franck

[Yves D]

Bonjour Franck (j'allais écrire Fils du Ciel)

Tu n'en as pas besoin, mais pour te rassurer, nous sommes tous le ver de terre de quelqu'un.
Yves

[Ar Brav]

Bonjour à tous,

Je remonre ce sujet. J'ai adressé un mail que j'ai pensé courtois au CSMCO voilà un moment les informant de la liste des bateaux anglais coulés mise à disposition ici par Marc. Mon message désinteréssé n'a manifestement pas suscité un enthousiasme débridé, n'ayant eu aucun retour à ce jour, ce dont du reste, je m'attendais.

Bien cordialement,
Franck

[Marraine]

Plongeurs du Club Sous Marin de la Côte d'Opale, du groupe de plongée épave du Pas de Calais, nous sommes allés voir cette épave que nous cherchons à Identifier. Les anglais nous ont répondu: rien de tel en décembre 1917.
Les locaux m'ont informé que c'était bien un remorqueur anglais à roues à aubes plein de charbon qui s'était échoué le 17 décembre 1917. A bord le patron et son fils et 2 matelots qui ont été hébergés par monsieur FOURAS (décédé depuis) et que celui-ci les avait conduit le lendemain déclarer l'échouage aux affaires maritimes de Boulogne et s'étaient rembarqués pour l'Angleterre.
Le bureau des Affaires maritimes de Boulogne a bien souffert de la 2è guerre!...
Nous en cherchons plus sur ce remorqueur!!!
Ainsi que sur le NIGEL cargo coulé le 12 novembre 1916 au large de Boulogne sauté par mines allemandes.
Si vous pouvez me renseigner, j'en serais très heureux.
Merci d'avance