Bonjour à tous,
Je suis à la recherche d'infos sur l'intervention des destroyers britanniques qui croisaient autour de Nieuport fin octobre 14, lors des combats pour défendre la ville. Ont-ils joué un role important? Combien de navires étaient présent?
Bien cordialement
Nicolas
Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
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Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Voici un article en langue anglaise
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_ ... ort_01.htm
Et il apparait que le soutien par la mer a été :
"by a Royal Navy squadron under Admiral Hood (two light cruisers, two monitors and a number of destroyers".
A bientot
Voici un article en langue anglaise
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_ ... ort_01.htm
Et il apparait que le soutien par la mer a été :
"by a Royal Navy squadron under Admiral Hood (two light cruisers, two monitors and a number of destroyers".
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
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Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Voici quelques éléments complémentaires :
The Bombardment of the Belgian Coast -The Raids -The Dogger Bank Action
Incidents in home waters have been given down to the end of October 1914. The bombardment of the Belgian coast was commenced in that month, continued without cessation into November, and has been repeated frequently since.
In August and September 1914, the Germans concentrated their mainland effort on the attempt to overwhelm the French Army and to break the line between Paris and Verdun. Their attempt failed, and the Germans retreated to a prearranged position on the Aisne. The alignment in Belgium was, however, not definitely fixed, and during October the Germans tried to force back the Allied left, and to capture the coast as far as Calais. Probably they wished the right of their line to reach the heights that run in a northwesterly direction, terminating at Cape Grisnez. Had this been accomplished the position would have been serious for England. The small base of Zeebrugge has caused us a great deal of trouble. With the enemy at Calais the position would have been a hundred times worse. Looking back, it seems miraculous that the Germans did not break through, considering the forces they used against our weak line, which was so ill supplied with munitions. Nothing but good leadership and the splendid fighting qualities of the troops saved the situation.
At the commencement of October the Belgians had abandoned Brussels. The evacuation of Antwerp began on the 7th, and the German occupied the town on the 9th, at the end of the siege realising an army of 60,000 trained men under General von Besseler for main operations in the south of the low-flying Flanders coast. There were four possible lines of advance towards Calais for the Germans: through Arras, La Bassee, Ypres, and along the coast. The Germans, with their huge numbers, were able to attempt all four lines simultaneously, finally developing their strategy into a supreme effort at Ypres. The Germans from Antwerp tried to force the line along the coast. Their failure to achieve this object was due to the bombardment from the sea, and the inundation of the Yser Canal by the Belgians. This was partly a naval and partly a land defence.
Three monitors, Severn, Mersey, and Humber carried out our earliest attack. These ships rendezvoused in Downs on October 10th, and the next day at dawn they proceeded to Ostend, which the Germans had not yet reached. There they waited events.
On the 12th arrangements were discussed for embarking troops, and the coast as examined to find the best place for that purpose, but nothing ws definitely settled, the operation not being easy.
On the 13th the monitors steamed up the coast, locating landmarks on shore and marking the ranges. During the next few days the last of the troops and wounded from Antwerp were embarked in transports at Ostend; numbers of the civil population also left by other steamers.
The bombardment of the coast began on October 17th. Von Besseler’s army on that day moved from Middelkerke and Westende and bivouacked a little to the east of Nieuport. The Belgians were being heavily attacked when the monitors arrived and commenced firing. The squadron had been added to, and then consisted of Attentive, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral the Hon. Horace Hood, in command of the Dover Patrol; Foresight, another ship of the same type; the three monitors, with six British and four French destroyers. On the 18th the flotilla proceeded from off Nieuport pier, where they passed the night, and went up the coast bombarding the “Bains” of Middlekerke and Westende. Spotting was arranged from naval balloons on shore, and the damage done was considerable. Batteries were put out of action, and a number of Germans must have been killed. The enemy replied, but as their guns were of smaller calibre and could hardly reach ships, the effect proved inconsiderable.
The same programme was carried out day after day. The ships fired off all their ammunition and returned in the evening to Dunkirk, filled up again with ammunition and coal as necessary, and stopped till before dawn. The crews slept in their clothes and got very little rest.
The constant destruction done compelled the Germans to withdraw out of range. We then had to send larger ships in with heavier guns. Old ships were chosen: Venerable, battleship, armed with four 12-inch guns; Brilliant, a cruiser; Rinaldo, a gunboat; Bustard, a “flatiron.” Sirius, Vestal, Submarines C 32, C 33, and a number of destroyers arrived on different dates. The four French boats continued in company during the period. The destroyers were to act as a screen, their proper function, for the larger ships against submarine attack. The bombardment was extended as far as Ostend, and the coast was swept by devastating fire for about six miles inshore. Against this the Germans could, at the time, do little or nothing, as they had no heavy siege artillery to bring against the ships. The main attack, therefore, shifted to the Yser Canal, where desperate fighting took place. The Belgians met this stroke by playing their last card. Heavy rain had been falling, so by damming the lower reaches of the canal and cutting the banks they caused an inundation of the country. The flood was not impassable, however, and therefore the dykes were cut, and the Germans had to withdraw, leaving many of their troops drowned behind them. The Belgians attempted to advance along the coast, but were beaten back, and the line was finally consolidated by the beginning of November with our left resting on Nieuport, which was protected by ships at sea.
tiré du site : http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/index.htm
A bientot
Voici quelques éléments complémentaires :
The Bombardment of the Belgian Coast -The Raids -The Dogger Bank Action
Incidents in home waters have been given down to the end of October 1914. The bombardment of the Belgian coast was commenced in that month, continued without cessation into November, and has been repeated frequently since.
In August and September 1914, the Germans concentrated their mainland effort on the attempt to overwhelm the French Army and to break the line between Paris and Verdun. Their attempt failed, and the Germans retreated to a prearranged position on the Aisne. The alignment in Belgium was, however, not definitely fixed, and during October the Germans tried to force back the Allied left, and to capture the coast as far as Calais. Probably they wished the right of their line to reach the heights that run in a northwesterly direction, terminating at Cape Grisnez. Had this been accomplished the position would have been serious for England. The small base of Zeebrugge has caused us a great deal of trouble. With the enemy at Calais the position would have been a hundred times worse. Looking back, it seems miraculous that the Germans did not break through, considering the forces they used against our weak line, which was so ill supplied with munitions. Nothing but good leadership and the splendid fighting qualities of the troops saved the situation.
At the commencement of October the Belgians had abandoned Brussels. The evacuation of Antwerp began on the 7th, and the German occupied the town on the 9th, at the end of the siege realising an army of 60,000 trained men under General von Besseler for main operations in the south of the low-flying Flanders coast. There were four possible lines of advance towards Calais for the Germans: through Arras, La Bassee, Ypres, and along the coast. The Germans, with their huge numbers, were able to attempt all four lines simultaneously, finally developing their strategy into a supreme effort at Ypres. The Germans from Antwerp tried to force the line along the coast. Their failure to achieve this object was due to the bombardment from the sea, and the inundation of the Yser Canal by the Belgians. This was partly a naval and partly a land defence.
Three monitors, Severn, Mersey, and Humber carried out our earliest attack. These ships rendezvoused in Downs on October 10th, and the next day at dawn they proceeded to Ostend, which the Germans had not yet reached. There they waited events.
On the 12th arrangements were discussed for embarking troops, and the coast as examined to find the best place for that purpose, but nothing ws definitely settled, the operation not being easy.
On the 13th the monitors steamed up the coast, locating landmarks on shore and marking the ranges. During the next few days the last of the troops and wounded from Antwerp were embarked in transports at Ostend; numbers of the civil population also left by other steamers.
The bombardment of the coast began on October 17th. Von Besseler’s army on that day moved from Middelkerke and Westende and bivouacked a little to the east of Nieuport. The Belgians were being heavily attacked when the monitors arrived and commenced firing. The squadron had been added to, and then consisted of Attentive, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral the Hon. Horace Hood, in command of the Dover Patrol; Foresight, another ship of the same type; the three monitors, with six British and four French destroyers. On the 18th the flotilla proceeded from off Nieuport pier, where they passed the night, and went up the coast bombarding the “Bains” of Middlekerke and Westende. Spotting was arranged from naval balloons on shore, and the damage done was considerable. Batteries were put out of action, and a number of Germans must have been killed. The enemy replied, but as their guns were of smaller calibre and could hardly reach ships, the effect proved inconsiderable.
The same programme was carried out day after day. The ships fired off all their ammunition and returned in the evening to Dunkirk, filled up again with ammunition and coal as necessary, and stopped till before dawn. The crews slept in their clothes and got very little rest.
The constant destruction done compelled the Germans to withdraw out of range. We then had to send larger ships in with heavier guns. Old ships were chosen: Venerable, battleship, armed with four 12-inch guns; Brilliant, a cruiser; Rinaldo, a gunboat; Bustard, a “flatiron.” Sirius, Vestal, Submarines C 32, C 33, and a number of destroyers arrived on different dates. The four French boats continued in company during the period. The destroyers were to act as a screen, their proper function, for the larger ships against submarine attack. The bombardment was extended as far as Ostend, and the coast was swept by devastating fire for about six miles inshore. Against this the Germans could, at the time, do little or nothing, as they had no heavy siege artillery to bring against the ships. The main attack, therefore, shifted to the Yser Canal, where desperate fighting took place. The Belgians met this stroke by playing their last card. Heavy rain had been falling, so by damming the lower reaches of the canal and cutting the banks they caused an inundation of the country. The flood was not impassable, however, and therefore the dykes were cut, and the Germans had to withdraw, leaving many of their troops drowned behind them. The Belgians attempted to advance along the coast, but were beaten back, and the line was finally consolidated by the beginning of November with our left resting on Nieuport, which was protected by ships at sea.
tiré du site : http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/index.htm
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
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Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Un ouvrage peut éventuellement vous aider dans vos recherches :
The Hood Battalion: Royal Naval Division : Antwerp, Gallipoli, France 1914-1918
Author(s): Sellers, Leonard
ISBN: 0850523869
ISBN13: 9780850523867
Cover: Hardcover
Copyright: 07/01/1995
A bientot
Un ouvrage peut éventuellement vous aider dans vos recherches :
The Hood Battalion: Royal Naval Division : Antwerp, Gallipoli, France 1914-1918
Author(s): Sellers, Leonard
ISBN: 0850523869
ISBN13: 9780850523867
Cover: Hardcover
Copyright: 07/01/1995
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
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Terraillon Marc
- Messages : 3875
- Inscription : mer. oct. 20, 2004 2:00 am
Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Autres informations sur cette bataille navale et terrestre :
The battle for the advanced posts : the Royal Navy intervenes
18th October
The battle opened on 18th October, with a heavy bombardment all along the Belgian lines, followed by German infantry probing into the forward defences. The first serious clash occurred when a group of Belgian cyclists and lancers were shelled out of Sint Pieters Kapelle, lying a little east of Schore. After a fierce, two hour combat, the German infantry moved into the ruins of the hamlet. At 9am on the same morning, the Belgian 2nd Division made first contact with the attacking forces of the 3rd Reserve Korps just to the east of Westende. The attack here threatened to break through, but was brought to a shattering standstill by heavy shelling from British warships lying off the coast. For during the night of the 17th/18th October, Admiral Hood had brought up three monitors, the HMS’s Severn, Humber and Mersey. (These ships were flat-bottomed and with a very shallow draught, being originally designed for the Brazilian navy operating in the estuary waters of the Amazon. They were heavily armoured, and carried two 6-inch guns and two 4.7-inch howitzers each, in addition to machine guns. Later, when attacked by torpedo, they avoided destruction, as German torpedoes generally travelled at a depth of around twelve feet. The monitors drew only four feet.) The Germans, shocked, withdrew to Oostende. The naval shelling causes great losses among men and horses. Over the next days of the battle, the Royal Navy played a key part, keeping the coastal strip under constant fire, causing casualties and disruption to German operations. For example, on the 23rd, a Royal Navy flotilla bombarded German positions in Oostende, following an unsuccessful attempt by a German submarine on the destroyers HMS’s Wildfire and Myrmidon. A British naval balloon, moored beyond German shelling at Koksijde, directed operations. Further inland, and beyond the range of the monitors, the villages of Leke, Schore and Schoorbakke received their baptism of fire from the German heavy artillery. At Mannekensvere, the Belgian 7th Linie held on under fire all day, but were forced to withdraw in the evening. They counterattacked with the bayonet the following morning, but were brought to a halt by the weight and accuracy of the shelling.The advance posts of the 4th Division at Keiem were lost to units of the 6th Reserve Division, but the 8th and 13th Linie attacked and recovered them at the point of the bayonet. The 6th Division were ordered to thin the ranks holding out further south to provide reinforcements at Keiem, and at other posts under similar threat. The position was increasingly precarious, and the Germans threatened to engulf the Belgian positions on the right bank of the Yser, north of Diksmuide. The 4th Division committed its last reserves to assist the defence of the bridge at Tervate, and the 3rd Division were committed to strengthen the defences in front of Nieuwpoort. At this point, the French came to the assistance of the Belgians by relieving the 6th Division on the Ieperlee. The line held by the 40,000 effective men of the Belgian field army was reduced to 28km.To the south of Diksmuide, there was much better news. The right wing was firmly held by the cavalry of de Witte and de Mitry, from Kortemark to Roeselare.
tiré du site : http://www.1914-1918.net/bravebelgium.htm
A bientot
Autres informations sur cette bataille navale et terrestre :
The battle for the advanced posts : the Royal Navy intervenes
18th October
The battle opened on 18th October, with a heavy bombardment all along the Belgian lines, followed by German infantry probing into the forward defences. The first serious clash occurred when a group of Belgian cyclists and lancers were shelled out of Sint Pieters Kapelle, lying a little east of Schore. After a fierce, two hour combat, the German infantry moved into the ruins of the hamlet. At 9am on the same morning, the Belgian 2nd Division made first contact with the attacking forces of the 3rd Reserve Korps just to the east of Westende. The attack here threatened to break through, but was brought to a shattering standstill by heavy shelling from British warships lying off the coast. For during the night of the 17th/18th October, Admiral Hood had brought up three monitors, the HMS’s Severn, Humber and Mersey. (These ships were flat-bottomed and with a very shallow draught, being originally designed for the Brazilian navy operating in the estuary waters of the Amazon. They were heavily armoured, and carried two 6-inch guns and two 4.7-inch howitzers each, in addition to machine guns. Later, when attacked by torpedo, they avoided destruction, as German torpedoes generally travelled at a depth of around twelve feet. The monitors drew only four feet.) The Germans, shocked, withdrew to Oostende. The naval shelling causes great losses among men and horses. Over the next days of the battle, the Royal Navy played a key part, keeping the coastal strip under constant fire, causing casualties and disruption to German operations. For example, on the 23rd, a Royal Navy flotilla bombarded German positions in Oostende, following an unsuccessful attempt by a German submarine on the destroyers HMS’s Wildfire and Myrmidon. A British naval balloon, moored beyond German shelling at Koksijde, directed operations. Further inland, and beyond the range of the monitors, the villages of Leke, Schore and Schoorbakke received their baptism of fire from the German heavy artillery. At Mannekensvere, the Belgian 7th Linie held on under fire all day, but were forced to withdraw in the evening. They counterattacked with the bayonet the following morning, but were brought to a halt by the weight and accuracy of the shelling.The advance posts of the 4th Division at Keiem were lost to units of the 6th Reserve Division, but the 8th and 13th Linie attacked and recovered them at the point of the bayonet. The 6th Division were ordered to thin the ranks holding out further south to provide reinforcements at Keiem, and at other posts under similar threat. The position was increasingly precarious, and the Germans threatened to engulf the Belgian positions on the right bank of the Yser, north of Diksmuide. The 4th Division committed its last reserves to assist the defence of the bridge at Tervate, and the 3rd Division were committed to strengthen the defences in front of Nieuwpoort. At this point, the French came to the assistance of the Belgians by relieving the 6th Division on the Ieperlee. The line held by the 40,000 effective men of the Belgian field army was reduced to 28km.To the south of Diksmuide, there was much better news. The right wing was firmly held by the cavalry of de Witte and de Mitry, from Kortemark to Roeselare.
tiré du site : http://www.1914-1918.net/bravebelgium.htm
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
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Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Voici une image avec les 3 navires de la Royal Navy ayant participé aux combats d'octobre 1914 :
Ce sont les monitors SEVERN, HUMBER et MERSEY
A bientot
Voici une image avec les 3 navires de la Royal Navy ayant participé aux combats d'octobre 1914 :
Ce sont les monitors SEVERN, HUMBER et MERSEY
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
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Terraillon Marc
- Messages : 3875
- Inscription : mer. oct. 20, 2004 2:00 am
Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour
Voici une référence sur la DOVER PATROL :
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/ww1 ... patrol.htm
et voici quelques références sur le HMS Attentive
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Ma ... 0958682090
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_attentive.htm
et voici quelques références sur le HMS Venerable
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/we ... rable.html
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/london.htm
A bientot
Voici une référence sur la DOVER PATROL :
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/ww1 ... patrol.htm
et voici quelques références sur le HMS Attentive
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Ma ... 0958682090
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_attentive.htm
et voici quelques références sur le HMS Venerable
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/we ... rable.html
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/london.htm
A bientot
Cordialement
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Marc TERRAILLON
A la recherche du 17e RIT, des 166/366e RI et du 12e Hussards.
Re: Destroyés britanniques à Nieuport - octobre 14
Bonjour Marc,
merci beaucoup pour toutes ces informations. L'ensemble des opérations sont maintenant bcp plus claires pour moi. Connaissez-vous le nom des 4 bâtimenst francais qui ont participé?
Cordialement
Nicolas
merci beaucoup pour toutes ces informations. L'ensemble des opérations sont maintenant bcp plus claires pour moi. Connaissez-vous le nom des 4 bâtimenst francais qui ont participé?
Cordialement
Nicolas