Batteries du RNSG Flandres

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Batteries du RNSG Flandres

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Bonjour à tous,

sur une carte montrant l'implantation des batteries du Royal Marine Artillery et du Royal Naval Siege Guns dans le secteur Furnes / Nieuport, il est spécifié que certaines de ces batteries sont armées par les "Français". Cette carte fait partie des "Keyes Papers" mis en ligne par la Bristish Library ; aucune date n'est mentionnée mais je pense qu'elle correspond à la deuxième moitié de l'année 1917.
Quelqu'un pourrait t'il m'indiquer quelles étaient les unités françaises armant ces pièces et à quelle période elles les ont armées ?
Par avance merci
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Bonjour

Il serait bien de pouvoir voir cette carte; avez-vous un lien qui pourrait être partagé?

Que des indices:
Sur la liste je vois des canons 7.5-inch 9.2-inch(pouces)
On lit «manned», donc «manoeuvrées» et non commandées.

Extrait https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/s ... t_id=31266
In addition to these large calibre guns, eight 7.5-inch guns from H.M.S. SWIFTSURE were landed and mounted, on ship’s pivot mountings, well forward near Oost Dunkerke to assist in counter battery work. The R.N. Siege Guns continued during 1917 as a separate unit under Captain Halahan, R.N., but their personnel was gradually replaced by Marines until, in February 1918, they were entirely Marine manned, and were absorbed into the R.M.A. Heavy Siege Train.

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https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/168 ... end-raids/
the Royal Naval Siege Guns, 1915-1918, Captain Henry Halahan RN, who handed over command of that unit to his RMA successor in early 1918 and joined the team preparing for the raids on Zeebrugge and Ostende. He was in command of the naval storming parties embarked in HMS Vindictive, but was unfortunately killed by machine-gun fire as Vindictive approached the Mole.
Prior to his departure to join the Zeebrugge operation, there were two siege gun units based on the Belgian Coast, his RN Siege Guns, by then known as the Forward Gun Group, and a number of guns further back, operated by the RMA and known as the RMA Heavy Siege Train (for which, see Blumberg's 'British Sea Soldiers'). All the guns operated by these two units were naval guns on land mountings — a mixture of 6", 7.5" (ex-Swiftsure), 9.2" and 12". Some of the RMA's 15" howitzer batteries were in the coastal sector at various times during the war, but their range was too short to engage distant targets, and to the best of my knowledge they played no part in the artillery effort in support of the Zeebrugge and Ostende raids. The RN gun crews of the RNSG were withdrawn in early 1918 and their guns were taken over by RMA crews — hence the references in Keyes's despatches to RMA siege guns alone.

Captain Henry Crosby Halahan «21 Head Quarter» sur votre carte
https://dulwichcollege1914-18.co.uk/fallen/halahan-hc/
When the war began in the summer of 1914 Henry was serving as Commander of the Gunnery School at Chatham, but was soon made Captain of H.M.S. Bustard, charged with bombarding the German right flank from off the Belgian coast. That December he was moved to a shore posting and placed in charge of the Naval Siege Guns on the Flanders coast, a position he was to hold for most of the next three years, apart from two months in the late summer of 1915 spent on special service in Italy. In early 1918 he was placed in command of The Bluejackets, a naval unit specialising in close quarters combat. He was personally leading his unit during the raid on Zeebrugge, on April 23rd, when he was killed in action, being buried at sea the following day. His service during the war had seen him awarded the D.S.O., mentioned in despatches twice, as well as receiving commendations from the nations of Belgium, Italy and France.
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Bonsoir,
merci de votre réponse.
Je voulais initialement mettre la carte entière en pièce jointe mais cela s'est révélé impossible vu sa taille et, une fois redimensionnée, elle devenait très peu lisible.
Je suis en déplacement pour quelques jours mais dès mon retour je retrouve le lien et je le poste.
Par ailleurs, je suis tout à fait d'accord, il est spécifié que les artilleurs de certaines batteries étaient français mais rien n'est précisé concernant le commandement des dites batteries.
Amicalement
Claude
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Bonjour,

ci-dessous le lien pour une série de 4 cartes des côtes belge et française avec emplacements d'artillerie :

http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.asp ... 05_c_f001r

J'ai aussi trouvé référence à une batterie de marine anglaise baptisée "Saskatoon" en place en 1918 (non mentionnée sur la carte) mais aucune précision de calibre des pièces qui la composaient. Si quelqu'un peut m'aider, il est le bienvenu;

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Claude
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Hi
Grand merci pour la carte (le document en fait).

Quelques indices... question de faire avancer un tout petit peu les choses...

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"Carnac Battery"

Une ligne ici à propos de la «CARNAC battery» . On mentionne Oost-Dunkerke, mais pourrait ausi être Oost-Dunkerke-Bains j'imagine, là où se situe le No 26.
(BELGIAN COAST - 1914-18) http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1 ... nCoast.htm
To receive the Distinguished Service Cross.
2nd Lieut. Daniel Harding, R.M.A. For services with the Royal Marine Artillery Siege Gun Detachment in Flanders. On the 28th March, 1918, at "Carnac" battery, near Oost Dunkirk, after extricating himself from the debris caused by an enemy shell bursting in his gun position, displayed marked coolness in attending to the wounded and assisting to extinguish a fire. Has since shown zeal and devotion to duty on all occasions.
Lire aussi ce fil /
Carnac Battery / https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/496 ... c-battery/
Able Seaman James Broomhead who was killed at Carnac Battery on the Belgian coast on 26 April 1917
Cette batterie; opérationnelle donc au moins entre avril 1917 et mars 1918 pour le moment.

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"Diana Battery"

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collect ... w&pgoff=11
2nd.Lieut. Harry Lawford Hunt décédé 29 May 1918
https://www.aksplough.co.uk/shared/atta ... Hunt%2Epdf


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"Swiftsure Battery"

Fil de discussion / 7.5" Naval Guns 1917 XV Corps
330 SB personnel were attached to Naval Siege Guns (Long Range Gun Group) under Commander H.C. Hallahan D.S.O., R.N., namely the 4 x 7.5 Guns of the ‘Swiftsure’ Battery at Oust Dunkirke M32a.10.05 (Sheet 11).


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Hi

Naval Memoirs 1916-1918 (1935)

p.161 (middle)
There were also two 9.2-inch and six 7.5-inch British naval guns witch had been turned over the French.
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dl ... /page/n165

p.340 (bottom)
...with our batteries, manned by the French near the coast...]
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dl ... /page/n357

Il y a sans doute davantage d'informations dans ce livre; je n'aurai que survolé...

Cordially
Michel
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Un grand merci !

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Claude
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